jimH: to be presented at the XML conference chumped earlier
jimH: says " DAML+OIL provides constraint and ontology definition capabilities that do not exist in a standardized way for topic maps. This session will discuss how DAML+OIL can be used to provide these capabilities until a standard is completed."
larsbot: the standard being referred to is TMCL
jimH: foo -- wh ydo they need a different standard instead of using ours?
larsbot: because the structure of topic maps is different; you can't constrain topic maps with something designed for RDF
jimH: not only is there a suggested XML schema for OWL if you want it, but I happen to think it would be better either to integrate these
jimH: or to link them -- having two groups competing is silly - I tell people to use TMs for document-related work, but for "models"
jimH: use OWL
jimH: says " DAML+OIL provides constraint and ontology definition capabilities that do not exist in a standardized way for topic maps. This session will discuss how DAML+OIL can be used to provide these capabilities until a standard is completed."
larsbot: the standard being referred to is TMCL
jimH: foo -- wh ydo they need a different standard instead of using ours?
larsbot: because the structure of topic maps is different; you can't constrain topic maps with something designed for RDF
jimH: not only is there a suggested XML schema for OWL if you want it, but I happen to think it would be better either to integrate these
jimH: or to link them -- having two groups competing is silly - I tell people to use TMs for document-related work, but for "models"
jimH: use OWL
DanConn: December 8-13. Baltimore, MD, USA
DanConn: keynotes by Tim Bray, Don Box, Whit Diffie, Jon Bosak, Jean Paoli
DanConn: Gabe Beged-Dov presents on Friday
DanConn: in a Knowledge Management session
DanConn: Fuchs/Brown on lattices and documents looks cool
DanConn: Freese on DAML+OIL and topicmaps thursday
DanConn: Newcomb/Biezunski on Topic Maps Reference Model thursday
DanConn: hmm... W3C team upcoming apprearances doesn't mention this conference. odd.
DanConn: TAG town hall on tuesday
DanConn: DanC does not plan to attend, fyi.
DanConn: keynotes by Tim Bray, Don Box, Whit Diffie, Jon Bosak, Jean Paoli
DanConn: Gabe Beged-Dov presents on Friday
DanConn: in a Knowledge Management session
DanConn: Fuchs/Brown on lattices and documents looks cool
DanConn: Freese on DAML+OIL and topicmaps thursday
DanConn: Newcomb/Biezunski on Topic Maps Reference Model thursday
DanConn: hmm... W3C team upcoming apprearances doesn't mention this conference. odd.
DanConn: TAG town hall on tuesday
DanConn: DanC does not plan to attend, fyi.
danbri: Nearby: 'RSS and WAP/WML... lessons re HTML and RDF and format divergence?'
AaronSw: There is One Web.
AaronSw: There is One Web.
sbp: Discusses methods of utilising various bits of HTML syntax in order to produce an RSS feed that is valid XHTML. generally involves converting the XHTML into a legacy RSS
sbp: All well and good if your user agent understands the HTML profile being used; is @profile in HTML a RDDL use case?
AaronSw: What do you want the user agent to do?
sbp: I'd actually like a browser to be able to recognize that RSS XP is being used, and have it provide a form so that I can check off the items that I've read, and do all the other things that aggregators let me do. in otherwords, I want my browser to be an RSS aggregator, too
AaronSw: Why can't it do that by simply looking at the profile URI, rather than dereferencing it?
sbp: You can do it simply by looking at the profile URI, but only if your UA has been programmed in advance to recognize that profile URI and act accordingly. I'm thinking of a case where I have a UA which can act appropriately with RSS 1.0, but when faced with an XHTML page doesn't know what to do. The profile URI could give a RDDL representation with links to the right XSLT sheet for converting to RSS 1.0, helping the browser
sbp: All well and good if your user agent understands the HTML profile being used; is @profile in HTML a RDDL use case?
AaronSw: What do you want the user agent to do?
sbp: I'd actually like a browser to be able to recognize that RSS XP is being used, and have it provide a form so that I can check off the items that I've read, and do all the other things that aggregators let me do. in otherwords, I want my browser to be an RSS aggregator, too
AaronSw: Why can't it do that by simply looking at the profile URI, rather than dereferencing it?
sbp: You can do it simply by looking at the profile URI, but only if your UA has been programmed in advance to recognize that profile URI and act accordingly. I'm thinking of a case where I have a UA which can act appropriately with RSS 1.0, but when faced with an XHTML page doesn't know what to do. The profile URI could give a RDDL representation with links to the right XSLT sheet for converting to RSS 1.0, helping the browser
AaronSw: I think it's saying that the "in order to implement the standard" restriction is to narrow and inhibits the reuse of free software.
dajobe: I think I agree with their point; a free software developer can't look at "so-called patented" software licensed only for one purpose. free software is always re-purposable
AaronSw: It'd be easier to understand with a concrete example. Anyone have one?