danbri: "When you see a link from this section, it'll point to a tabling imlpementation that might even use a WAM variant.
danbri: "Yeah, right. "
danbri: "Yeah, right. "
danbri: "new tags are highlighted"
danbri: This message is being sent primarily to keep odp-rdf-announce alive as a
danbri: ...yahoo group. We have not changed the RDF file format, and currently have no plans to do so.
AaronSw: ChefMoz tags Tasty!
danbri: "There is a relatively new file, http://dmoz.org/rdf/tags.html, which provides a listing of each tag that we use in each of the RDF files. This is produced by reading the RDF files, and it highlights any tags that it doesn't expect. By checking this file weekly, you can easily see any tags that have changed.
danbri: I'm puzzled how they're saying, "nothings changed" and "here's what changed" at same time. See odb-rdf-announce archives for details.
AaronSw: Well, Yahoo implemented a new policy to shut down inactive groups so he had to send some sort of message out. I suppose he figured it'd be better if he sent one out with something useful.
danbri: see also Bob's clarification.
danbri: This message is being sent primarily to keep odp-rdf-announce alive as a
danbri: ...yahoo group. We have not changed the RDF file format, and currently have no plans to do so.
AaronSw: ChefMoz tags Tasty!
danbri: "There is a relatively new file, http://dmoz.org/rdf/tags.html, which provides a listing of each tag that we use in each of the RDF files. This is produced by reading the RDF files, and it highlights any tags that it doesn't expect. By checking this file weekly, you can easily see any tags that have changed.
danbri: I'm puzzled how they're saying, "nothings changed" and "here's what changed" at same time. See odb-rdf-announce archives for details.
AaronSw: Well, Yahoo implemented a new policy to shut down inactive groups so he had to send some sort of message out. I suppose he figured it'd be better if he sent one out with something useful.
danbri: see also Bob's clarification.
danbri: Msg from Glen about XML-Protocol issues
danbri: related [XMLP Working Group Transport Binding Task Force
danbri: related XMLP Working Group Transport Binding Task Force 2001-07-26 meeting for more b/g.
danbri: related [XMLP Working Group Transport Binding Task Force
danbri: related XMLP Working Group Transport Binding Task Force 2001-07-26 meeting for more b/g.
AaronSw: Brought to you by the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
AaronSw: An XML-based proposal for the first "annotative" programming language, inspired by LISP and friends
AaronSw: """Annotative programming, if done properly, has the potential to be the successor to object-oriented programming, in the same way that object-oriented programming succeeded procedural programming, procedural programming succeeded assembly language, and assembly language succeeded raw hexadecimal numbers."""
sbp: Heh
AaronSw: David McCusker [responds|http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$4968
AaronSw: David McCusker responds
AaronSw: An XML-based proposal for the first "annotative" programming language, inspired by LISP and friends
AaronSw: """Annotative programming, if done properly, has the potential to be the successor to object-oriented programming, in the same way that object-oriented programming succeeded procedural programming, procedural programming succeeded assembly language, and assembly language succeeded raw hexadecimal numbers."""
sbp: Heh
AaronSw: David McCusker [responds|http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$4968
AaronSw: David McCusker responds
bijan: An SWI-Prolog based app, pinged to me in response to my XML.com article.
bijan: Ooo, it's really neat!
DanC_: at a glance, that does look cool. Hope to check it out in detail...
bijan: Ooo, it's really neat!
DanC_: at a glance, that does look cool. Hope to check it out in detail...
sbp: A couple/few of which may have gone astray
DanC_: in-your-face URLs. grumble.
sbp: For printing
DanC_: in-your-face URLs. grumble.
sbp: For printing
danbri: A little test script that shows rdf queries handled by a remote SOAP service
danbri: I grabbed this query from the examples I made up for Libby's Inkling site. It'd be nice to have a repository of test queries we could share across implementations...
DanC_: I wonder what value SOAP adds in this service; could it be done with traditional forms ?query=params technology?
danbri: That was the purpose of the exercise! The value of the SOAP::Lite perl module to me was pretty clear; I got to pretend the network wasn't there (not always wise!). Apparently XML and SOAP let me do that, though another implementation might've used ?query=params
danbri: I felt unless I got my hands grubby with a SOAP app, I wasn't really qualified to wade into xml-dist-app discussions. So I thought I'd earn my opinions by seeing what, if anything, SOAP bought me.
danbri: One win: I didn't have to define a data format for serialising the result-set structure; SOAP did that for me. Presumably in the (RDF-ish) Section 5 format.
danbri: Actually Glen Daniels tells me that SOAP doesn't itself specify how to serialise associative arrays (maps, hashtables), but there's some implementor concensus around a certain design that uses SOAP's array structure. And that Apache/Axis and SOAP::Lite both use this.
danbri: Might be instructional to compare this with Pasqualino "Titto" Assini's RDF/protocol approach.
danbri: see also Apache Axis mail archives
danbri: I grabbed this query from the examples I made up for Libby's Inkling site. It'd be nice to have a repository of test queries we could share across implementations...
DanC_: I wonder what value SOAP adds in this service; could it be done with traditional forms ?query=params technology?
danbri: That was the purpose of the exercise! The value of the SOAP::Lite perl module to me was pretty clear; I got to pretend the network wasn't there (not always wise!). Apparently XML and SOAP let me do that, though another implementation might've used ?query=params
danbri: I felt unless I got my hands grubby with a SOAP app, I wasn't really qualified to wade into xml-dist-app discussions. So I thought I'd earn my opinions by seeing what, if anything, SOAP bought me.
danbri: One win: I didn't have to define a data format for serialising the result-set structure; SOAP did that for me. Presumably in the (RDF-ish) Section 5 format.
danbri: Actually Glen Daniels tells me that SOAP doesn't itself specify how to serialise associative arrays (maps, hashtables), but there's some implementor concensus around a certain design that uses SOAP's array structure. And that Apache/Axis and SOAP::Lite both use this.
danbri: Might be instructional to compare this with Pasqualino "Titto" Assini's RDF/protocol approach.
danbri: see also Apache Axis mail archives
danbri: ...is now publically browsable without needing YahooGroups sign-in. See also SourceForge pages.
jah-umcp: Personal web page marked up with "semantic web tutorial" as part of Scientific American article on-line
jah-umcp: examples of SHOE and DAML and intro to ideas...
jah-umcp: as to what semantic markup is.
jah-umcp: examples of SHOE and DAML and intro to ideas...
jah-umcp: as to what semantic markup is.
jah-umcp: the DAML project uses DAML on a lot of our pages (see daml.org)
jah-umcp: and also keeps this page, which is a link to a number of demos of use of DAML/RDF on web sites
bijan: That's interesting. Thanks!
jah-umcp: see IT Talks for a really good example done by Tim Finin of Univ of Maryland - Baltimore County
jah-umcp: and also keeps this page, which is a link to a number of demos of use of DAML/RDF on web sites
bijan: That's interesting. Thanks!
jah-umcp: see IT Talks for a really good example done by Tim Finin of Univ of Maryland - Baltimore County
bijan: Basically to write an "HTML Tidy"/optimizer/cleaner for a tag based markup langauges.
bijan: Note the article on XML.com: Buildign a Semantic Web Site.
bijan: Oops.
jah-umcp: semantic web article is the correct URI
AaronSw: """The W4C (World Wide Wireless Web Consortium) has just published the specification of SML/NG (Simple Markup Language -- New Generation), a simplified version of XXHTML designed for the new generation of hypertext rendering micro-devices, running on hardware with reduced computational capacity such as wristtop computers, thumbnail-worn PDAs, and internet-enabled ice boxes."""
bijan: Note the article on XML.com: Buildign a Semantic Web Site.
bijan: Oops.
jah-umcp: semantic web article is the correct URI
AaronSw: """The W4C (World Wide Wireless Web Consortium) has just published the specification of SML/NG (Simple Markup Language -- New Generation), a simplified version of XXHTML designed for the new generation of hypertext rendering micro-devices, running on hardware with reduced computational capacity such as wristtop computers, thumbnail-worn PDAs, and internet-enabled ice boxes."""
bijan: Are there any around? We want to make monkeyfist.com one.
AaronSw: Eric vDv thinks he has one
sbp: Perhaps my quotes thing qualifies
bijan: Note the article on XML.com: Building a Semantic WebSite.
bijan: Which Aaron just chumped before me.
bijan: The cheeky begger!
bijan: So http://xmlfr.org may be a semantic website.
bijan: Indeed, I think it is.
AaronSw: Eric vDv thinks he has one
sbp: Perhaps my quotes thing qualifies
bijan: Note the article on XML.com: Building a Semantic WebSite.
bijan: Which Aaron just chumped before me.
bijan: The cheeky begger!
bijan: So http://xmlfr.org may be a semantic website.
bijan: Indeed, I think it is.
dajobe: now with Cara tests, done by the author, thanks to AaronSw
dajobe: actually I've fixed some Raptor bugs (Error) in these results, other problems prevent me from updating it
dajobe: actually I've fixed some Raptor bugs (Error) in these results, other problems prevent me from updating it
DanC_: pd2ical -- rules to relate palm datebook vocabulary to hybrid icalendar
DanC_: a start, anyway
DanC_: pd2ical.n3,v 1.1 2001/07/26 08:14:06
DanC_: a start, anyway
DanC_: pd2ical.n3,v 1.1 2001/07/26 08:14:06
DanC_: VCalSax : "VCalSax is a simple Python module for managing scheduler data in XML."
DanC_: python-iCalendar
DanC_: er... nothin much there yet.
DanC_: Reefknot : A Calendaring Toolkit in Perl
DanC_: python-iCalendar
DanC_: er... nothin much there yet.
DanC_: Reefknot : A Calendaring Toolkit in Perl
bijan: By Yours Truely.
bijan: And it's very very very long.
bijan: I must learn to write short articles about small topics that I don't have to figure out as I go along :)
bijan: But it has a cool line by line comparsion of a Prolog DCG transformation and the equivalent XSLT sheet.
bijan: Puts Prology, inferential queries side by side with XPath, structural queries.
AaronSw: dc:title "Foo" .
sandro: Is great for people who know Prolog already; I'll be surprised if many newcomers to Prolog (who the article addresses at many points) can really make sense of it. Maybe very very smart ones. :-)
danbri: There are a bunch of us on the borders of Prolog; we know what it does and how, but never really jumped in. I find it a nicely juggled piece, introducing Prolog and RDF folks to one another...
sbp: I very much agree with Dan; I downloaded SWI-Prolog after Bijan's first article, but could only take it so far. This one opens up a lot of doors
bijan: Thanks to my able defenders. One point is that it's a series. If you go back to the first article, you'll find, Sandro, I think, that it gives you enough Prolog (and RDF) to follow the second.
bijan: Indeed, I made that recommendation to someone already (who had no Prolog or RDF). Seemed to work.
danbri: see also ping to XSB Dev list
bijan: And it's very very very long.
bijan: I must learn to write short articles about small topics that I don't have to figure out as I go along :)
bijan: But it has a cool line by line comparsion of a Prolog DCG transformation and the equivalent XSLT sheet.
bijan: Puts Prology, inferential queries side by side with XPath, structural queries.
AaronSw: dc:title "Foo" .
sandro: Is great for people who know Prolog already; I'll be surprised if many newcomers to Prolog (who the article addresses at many points) can really make sense of it. Maybe very very smart ones. :-)
danbri: There are a bunch of us on the borders of Prolog; we know what it does and how, but never really jumped in. I find it a nicely juggled piece, introducing Prolog and RDF folks to one another...
sbp: I very much agree with Dan; I downloaded SWI-Prolog after Bijan's first article, but could only take it so far. This one opens up a lot of doors
bijan: Thanks to my able defenders. One point is that it's a series. If you go back to the first article, you'll find, Sandro, I think, that it gives you enough Prolog (and RDF) to follow the second.
bijan: Indeed, I made that recommendation to someone already (who had no Prolog or RDF). Seemed to work.
danbri: see also ping to XSB Dev list
danbri: I'm trying to understand how SOAP serialization relates to RDF syntax in practice; having an opensource implemention to nose around is proving helpful.
danbri: oh, xmlhack article mentions a useful survey of xml data binding resources. StuffToReadLater.