Here is Ryan Sleevi of Google dismissing anybody who disagrees with him on keygen as "fringe fanatics" . As it happens Tim Berners Lee started a thread on the TAG on the subject https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2015Sep/ . So he's dismissing Tim Berners Lee as a fring fanatic! (This should help show why it is so difficult to communicate with these folks )